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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2011/nov/18/occupy-london-ubs-video
Occupy London takes over empty offices owned by UBS bank - video
Early
on Friday, Occupy London protesters, together with members of a
squatters' action group, took over a disused office block owned by the
bank UBS. Police left the scene after activists claimed squatters'
rights over the block, near Liverpool Street, just outside the City of
London
be sure to watch the video
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I
will attempt to. I have never been in SF for one of these events but
in Occupy events in the midwest, no drug use at all has been evident.
The use of drugs/alcohol is discouraged (highly) in NY, LA, Portland.
As Tismek says, we do not wish to be undermined by idiots. What we have
seen, however, is infiltration of groups by agents that seek to ge
tpeople to do the kinds of things Heidi is talking about: throw gasoline
bottles, throw rocks, and get rowdy.
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forgetmenot525 wrote on Nov 20, '11
starfishred said
 when you get a molotove cocktail thrown at you what do you do--when they throw rocks big ones at you what do you do-- 
the
people in the video were sitting peacefully in the middle of the road,
they were not aggressive, they didn't even retaliate when pepper spray
was sprayed directly onto them by that diabolical, wicked
policeman..............the only violence I ee in that video is from the
so called police.
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forgetmenot525 wrote on Nov 20, '11
That
has never been true, if every one obeyed all laws at all times slavery
would never have been abolished and women would not have the vote.
Social injustice has always been fought with civil disobedience, with
out people willing to fight for change and what is
right...........nothing would ever change.
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starfishred wrote on Nov 20, '11
tismek said
I
do have to say, having read the blogs of both the US and the UK
Occupiers - there really ARE fundamental differences between the two.
Britain is much better organised, they even have "universities" set up
at each camp - they do lectures, talks, they even have a library. The
British protests are predicated on Education and reasonableness. They
are no more interested in causing trouble than the Police. These are
mothers, fathers, professionals as well as unemployed students etc.
yes
in GB they have a purpose as they should have but in America they now
not all but most just want confrontation and don't really know what it
is all about
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I
do have to say, having read the blogs of both the US and the UK
Occupiers - there really ARE fundamental differences between the two.
Britain is much better organised, they even have "universities" set up
at each camp - they do lectures, talks, they even have a library. The
British protests are predicated on Education and reasonableness. They
are no more interested in causing trouble than the Police. These are
mothers, fathers, professionals as well as unemployed students etc.
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starfishred wrote on Nov 20, '11
tismek said
And as for the drugs, well I can't speak for the Americans but here in Britain and Europe, the protesters are adamant NOT to allow that kind of thing. This is serious stuff and they won't allow it to be undermined by idiots.
totaly
and like I said above good solid demonstrating peacefully is where we
need to go not all this other because what I saw in SF there was just to
much rifraf and in the area where this is lots of people live there
with families and thy to want it stopped
as for these camp people or the majority of these people are not "bad" just opportunusts who never worked are drugies and alcaholics who are taking all this for a free ride-- |
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starfishred wrote on Nov 20, '11
forgetmenot525 said
Anarchy
is just another political belief and the capitalist system has caused
so much poverty, inequality and social injustice its pretty hard to
imagine that these anarchists could equal the misery the capitalists
have inflicted, if they are actually anarchists. And I don't care how
they look or smell, or what recreational drugs they use, it doesn't give
any one the right to spray pepper spray directly into their eyes from a
couple of inches away. I don't understand how any one could do this,
its inhumane, its inflicting torture, and its not good enough to claim
they are only 'doing their jobs'..........we've heard that one before,
what about personal responsibility. Any society that condones this sort
of violent behaviour toward non violent protesters is sick.
I
understand what you are saying but unless you have been there
personally all I say is don't judge the police--be a policeman and when
you get a molotove cocktail thrown at you what do you do--when they
throw rocks big ones at you what do you do--when after you have tried to
disperse them peacefully and they still come at you what do you do--
NO I can never condone violence on either side--but we live in a society where we have laws and they must be obeyed or would everyone rather live in a lawless one where you can have anything you want just kill maime and haul it away --sorry like I said I was in SF and saw with my own eyes and NO I cannot condone these people the peacefull ones who march and go home yes that is the way to go but not the others who squat and leave filth and could give a shot about who gets hurt--and when you for one minute really take a good look and ask the squaters why they are there they don't know --they don't have any idea as to what is really going on -- yes we have plenty to march for and we should all of us but peacefully and always remember VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE And yes these amarchists can do things yozu never imagine remember BLOOD IN THE SNOW --Russia the same things more or less and we have communisum for over 100 yrs. is that what we want no matter how it looks right now I would rather take my chances with the capotolists than the communists or dictators OR-- |
forgetmenot525 wrote on Nov 19, '11
its
already happening..............we saw the teasers used at Dale Farm
evictions.............and there wasn't any provication for that either.
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forgetmenot525 said
America
claims to prioritise personal rights...............unless you are
homeless and want to squat in an unused building, or unless you want to
protest about the government, in which case you have no rights, the
government has the right to bully, intimidate and inflict physical pain
and suffering on those people. So where exactly ARE these 'personal
rights'........reserved for the rich and those who conform I suspect.
You are not wrong there babes. Trouble is, its going that way here too.
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The problem is a "camp" is just that. Its not the Hilton babes. There's not a lot of baths around for protesters to use :o)
It doesn't make them bad people, just dedicated. And as for the drugs, well I can't speak for the Americans but here in Britain and Europe, the protesters are adamant NOT to allow that kind of thing. This is serious stuff and they won't allow it to be undermined by idiots. |
forgetmenot525 wrote on Nov 19, '11
this
is disgusting, so glad it doesn't happen here, how can these people be
so cruel, and then sit by and not even get medical assistance for their
victims. That man who calmly walked in front of a row of people and
sprayed them shames the uniform he wears.
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forgetmenot525 wrote on Nov 19, '11
veryfrank said
"Police left the scene after activists claimed squatters' rights over the block,,,,Not so here, in several cities, NY and Oakland California for example, the police are using force, brutality and spraying pepper spray on even the non-violent protestors. The police are trying to confiscate cell phones because people are filming the brutality.
guess we are still seen to be 'civilised' in some things..... :-)
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forgetmenot525 wrote on Nov 19, '11
tismek said
Thats
because America and Germany place a higher value on personal rights
over the rights of the people for the greater good. Its a difference in
moral and legal philosophies - it works on one level but not on others.
America
claims to prioritise personal rights...............unless you are
homeless and want to squat in an unused building, or unless you want to
protest about the government, in which case you have no rights, the
government has the right to bully, intimidate and inflict physical pain
and suffering on those people. So where exactly ARE these 'personal
rights'........reserved for the rich and those who conform I suspect.
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forgetmenot525 wrote on Nov 19, '11
starfishred said
as they should be the problem most of these are anarchists and trouble makers I saw what they looked like in San Francisco terrible smell no bathing and all hyped up on drugs of one sort or another--
Anarchy
is just another political belief and the capitalist system has caused
so much poverty, inequality and social injustice its pretty hard to
imagine that these anarchists could equal the misery the capitalists
have inflicted, if they are actually anarchists. And I don't care how
they look or smell, or what recreational drugs they use, it doesn't give
any one the right to spray pepper spray directly into their eyes from a
couple of inches away. I don't understand how any one could do this,
its inhumane, its inflicting torture, and its not good enough to claim
they are only 'doing their jobs'..........we've heard that one before,
what about personal responsibility. Any society that condones this sort
of violent behaviour toward non violent protesters is sick.
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starfishred said
as they should be the problem most of these are anarchists and trouble makers I saw what they looked like in San Francisco terrible smell no bathing and all hyped up on drugs of one sort or another--
When was this you saw that?
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starfishred wrote on Nov 19, '11
in america and here in germany no squaters rights
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starfishred wrote on Nov 19, '11
as they should be the problem most of these are anarchists and trouble makers
I saw what they looked like in San Francisco terrible smell no bathing and all hyped up on drugs of one sort or another-- |
"Police left the scene after activists claimed squatters' rights over the block,,,,
Not so here, in several cities, NY and Oakland California for example, the police are using force, brutality and spraying pepper spray on even the non-violent protestors. The police are trying to confiscate cell phones because people are filming the brutality. |
loretta xxxx
United Kingdom
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